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Girls or women?

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Not a week goes by without somebody somewhere getting me going on this one. I spotted this on the Guardian‘s online sportblog page in a piece recommending YouTube video clips:

Plus, check out the dainty ladies of Cesmac exchanging lavender-scented pleasantries with Sóesporte in a Brazilian amateur league game last month, and this from a recent girls’ game in the States.

Well, I skipped the “dainty ladies”, but I checked out the “girls” in the “girls’ game” and I can confidently report that they were, in fact, women. Yes, indeedy. And there was I expecting to see a clip of some schoolgirls playing football. (I wasn’t really.)

Does it matter? Yes. Calling women “girls” undermines and infantilises them. If you wouldn’t call a man a “boy” in the same context, don’t call a woman a “girl”.

See more on this topic in Am I allowed to say that?

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Ladies first? Not often

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  1. Sports journalists — reputedly (by me) the worst writers anywhere — also call men “boys” or “lads.” In baseball, “the boys of summer” is a standard moniker.

    Michael Farrell

    09/03/2010 at 5:23 pm

  2. Yes, I’d agree to a certain extent. However, it is only recently that the commentators on Wimbledon, for example, have stopped (for the most part, until they forget themselves) calling the female players ‘girls’ and the male players ‘men’.

    Deborah

    09/03/2010 at 5:50 pm

  3. The use of ‘boys’ to refer to tough adult rugby players is ubiquitous; and this could be extended to many contexts, not only in sport. I think that any effort to rid the English language of the words ‘boys’ and ‘girls’ to refer to adults is demeaning, dehumanizing, sinister and Orwellian.

    Dai

    10/03/2010 at 12:22 am

    • Hello, Dai — I agree with you. My only objection is when women are referred to as ‘girls’ when in the same context men are or would be referred to as ‘men’. As a minor extra point, it can even lead to confusion (quite apart from all the other reasons why I think the use of ‘girls’ to refer to ‘women’ should in most cases be avoided). For example, with reference to Wimbledon, there is a championship for both girls and women. A casual commentator’s question, such as ‘How are the British girls doing today?’ is ambiguous. From a business point of view I know of an instance at a trade show where a man approached two women who commanded a very large budget for a major High Street retailer. He was after some business and began his pitch with the greeting, ‘Hello girls’. Things went downhill from there. (It didn’t help that he was also rubbing his hands together at the same time.)

      Deborah

      10/03/2010 at 7:19 am


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